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no its just linux

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=385417

if it has hdd, upgrade to win10 ltsc 2015
if it has ssd, upgrade to win10 ltsc 2021

linux is not meant for normal users

>>100171
tbh I only installed Linux on it because it was shutting down within minutes of booting up under Windows already. I'm not a huge fan of Linux other than an inherent want to root for an underdog and my extreme disgust at Windows 11, but it-somehow-gave this busted up machine a few more months of life and use I wasn't getting with Windows at the time heh

ubango desktop is corposlop that forces "snap packs" for some commonly used software like web browsers, text editors etc. basically containerization which eventually have problems integrating with other resources (running as root, file access, ui element theming etc) (snap packs, flatpaks etc are corposlot attempt to have a halfbaked android style application permissions layer bolted on top of loonix with the assumption that no software you install is ever trustworthy and is basically google play tier jeetware trying to scam you)

arch or debian with xfce, mate, trinity or i3 (autistics) should be ok for an old laptop

arch maintainers don't fuck with the code they package, so it's more so as the devs intended and un-ironically stable

everything on debian is old as fuck on purpose for stability, which generally holds, but maintainers do backport fixes and also do opinionated changes in the code enabling disabling features which can then break things

>linux bricked itself thread number 53565436644552111349987
When will freetards learn?

>>100171
This. Windows 10 ltsc is usable and stable. I dread the day it dies and we're all subjected to the retardation of linux trannies.

>>100174
Reminds me. My other computer (the aforementioned integrated gpu 15~ year old VAIO which I also installed Linux Mint on) can't be updated anymore because a failed Python update has precluded me from installing any others until the problem (which has not been solved by any of the solutions I was able to find online) is corrected. L-...LOL!

This problem I could at least solve with a wipe and restore via usb drive I guess-until it repeats at some point in the near future anyway lol heh

Endevour OS is a good arch distro that JUST WERKS.

>>100177
Linux users will defend this sort of bullshit because their hobby is troubleshooting linux, and they're very smug about being able to do so. Linux has definitely gotten better as more normal human beings have started looking into it, but there's still this core ideology around the os being basically a hobbiest operating system for unemployed turboautists with nothing better to do than go down an infinite rabbit hole of fixing problems like this. Maybe steam os on desktop will save us eventually.

Under any reasonable circumstances the go-to solution to fixing an error in your operating system should not be "reinstall it from scratch". It's just ridiculous, but that's the linux way.

>>100178
Until you run pacman and it vores key kernal files updating minecraft or something. A well named piece of software.

>>100178
"community" "distroes" on top of any of the few "normal" linuxes is like windows xp android emulator vista gold savior editiion.iso by rapeet1998 on xdgdeviantart (or just one more reason why packages one day will just refuse to install)

>i need LESS support AND a hobbyist middleman to change the gtk theme color for me

>>100180
in other words, i got memed into installing "antergos" an arch off-shot like a year or two before it was discontinued (because internet was saying reading step by step instructions on a wiki and like using fdisk is hard)

turns out you don't need any of that shit and can install the normal arch just start the ui by typing "startx" (put 'exec xfce' in ~/.xinitrc)

i haven't yet seen a kernel mutilation. don't do shit like partial upgrades though

>>100177
>My other computer (the aforementioned integrated gpu 15~ year old VAIO which I also installed Linux Mint on) can't be updated anymore because a failed Python update has precluded me from installing any others until the problem (which has not been solved by any of the solutions I was able to find online) is corrected.
Same shit happened to me LOL!

>>100180
>>100181
You are right. I've been a lazy, ignorant fool. It hasn't fucked up on me yet though.

>>100177
>This problem I could at least solve with a wipe and restore via usb drive I guess-until it repeats at some point in the near future anyway lol heh
no, you shouldn't need to wipe anything

1. check which is your root linux partition, usually it's /dev/sda1

cat /proc/partitions

2. repair its filesystem with fsck (file system check)

fsck /dev/sda1 -y

3. reboot

reboot

if that fixes it, almost certainly your filesystem corrupted due to sudden power loss or a crash.
linux does not automatically repair its filesystem like windows does, hence why i said it's not user-friendly for normies

if that doesn't fix it, give up on linux and switch back to windows,
you can find ltsb 2015 or ltsc 2021 here https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links
then activate it with https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts

>>100188
>linux does not automatically repair its filesystem like windows does
you can twerkalate it do so

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fsck#Boot_time_checking

>>100188
"permission denied"

smdh, I swear I only have one user account on this thang, do I have to do some kinoodling to use "root" while doing something like this? JUST

I did end up buying a new budget-friendly PC to replace my aging Vaio (and I wanted something that could at minimum play old RTS/turn based games heh) and holy guacamole is Windows 11 insufferable slop at launch. I'd nearly forgotten since my other semi-recent acquisition. Definitely considering this Windows 10 resource you'd generously provided, but even Linux-despite my recent difficulties with it, and valid criticisms of it posted in this ITT thread-would be preferable. It's like if Bonzi Buddy and Weatherbug made an operating system without the former's sovl

>>100195
Did you type sudo?

>>100195
'fixing' disc sectors would overwrite data regardless of which account has ownershit for it so yea that's an administrative action

A root account is always present, it owns all your system files.

"sudo su -" with your own user password should put you in a root login shell were you can twerkalate things as the root account.

( As long as your regular user account/group is specified in /etc/sudoers , hopefully Mint installer has done it for you, otherwise you may have to chroot into the system and do that or alternatively set a root account password which by default it doesn't have and then log in as root )

You also need root permissions to mount things like USB drives because otehrwise le bad guy could le mount and unmount le system partition with le /usr/bin and replace it with some malicious executables storage fucking over all other eunuchs users on the 1970s timesharing mainframe or something. Loonix file access security model is not very nuanced for better or worse.

Unfortunately it didn't solve this specific problem but I appreciate the advice (this is just a second attempt after already rebooting heh)

>>100202
fscking the laptop wuz for da problem thing in OP, not ur other python bullshit

bruh im telling u linux aint for u

even win11 ltsc 2024 can be ridden of a bunch of its bullshit with third-party utilities from github,
far easier for u than screwin with linux

https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil

ur not "fiting da man" by using third-rate software like linux instead of pirating and hacking windows

Man, everything Windows 11 does by default is just so repugnant

>>100204
>fscking the laptop wuz for da problem thing in OP, not ur other python bullshit

oh, heh

>>100205
pretty sure context menu changes are available in chris titus's winutil i linked above

>>100197
I've never used windows 11. What exactly is wrong with it? I've heard it's awful.

>>100212
magine on 16G of ram i5 typical wagie laptop you can open like 4 web pages until msedge starts 'unloading' the other tabs. you can maybe do a teams call with it maybe too obvious lagging. complete humiliation. animations feel choppy. everything has a delay.

everything ui related is msedgewebview2.exe a.k.a "react native" jabascript on top of ceeshart code on top of 'legacy' c-pp probly or an electron chrome wrapper (msteams).

(16G of RAM i5 i7 used to be a multimedia gfx vfx sort of workstation not so long ago)

i wrestled loonix sway wm to work for my personal needs and use some cc 2018 adobes in vmware on win10ltsc at this point.

>>100213
tldr jeets did the needful

era of the white man maintaining cpp gui code is over in corporate sphere

youre not supposed to use more than 1 application at the time anyway

>>100213
office 365 outlook needs 2GB of ram to check emails in the background ok unused ram is wasted ram

>>100215
office 365 2025 outlook also has some beige background user facing xdhtml screens directly from outlook express 2001 so u know its good

>>100213
an 16G m1 arm mac runs completely normally in comparison, not nearly as snappy as autismloonixwm but alright

>>100213
Heard the performance was abysmal yeah My computer probably wouldn't even be able to run windows 11 so I basically just ignored that it exists. Figured I'd start looking into it when major software stopped working on windows 10 ltsc. To be honest, most things even still work on windows 7, but when steam stopped functioning it finally pushed me to install windows 10.

>>100214
>youre not supposed to use more than 1 application at the time anyway
What's the point of the octo-core cpu or whatever people have now then?

>>100219
>What's the point of the octo-core cpu or whatever people have now then?
uh

to run safe extremely hard to fuck up interpreted code on top of interpreted code on top of bytecode in a virtual machine on top of some cpp written 15 years ago

sure its many many many magnitudes slower and more memory inefficient than anything you grew up with but that's your problem

latest of state of the art cpu and memory technology enables the h1b rameesh #4532238923 to do a professional gui with cool frosted glass effects that maybe talks to some crud-shit api in about a month, not in 8 months and that is what matters

>>100188
While I thought you meant my Python problem because that's what that post you responded to was talking about-your solution did work as intended for OP (oddly "reboot" didn't work but "exit" did and sent me right to the desktop view)! Thanks man. I should definitely get as much stuff off of here as possible as it's probably a ticking time bomb in either case, but it seems it's back to "normal" for now heh

That Python shit is a bit vexxing but isn't causing any measurable harm at this time so I'll have to do more research into it I think. Having a lot of updates backed up for almost a year because of it is definitely uh...sub optimal

>>100229
Codefella coming in clutch again; 2-for-2. I'm going to have to bookmark these forums because clearly my notions of using a general search engine query to guide me to a fix for whatever computer issues I'm having are dated at best, especially with AI slop content on track to completely subsume human created and curated content (if it hasn't already-we were up to 60% last I checked and that was around a year ago). I owe you big time *vegeta_kneeling.webp*. If there's any as of yet unpiratable game on steam or online lecture or similar you'd been eyeing lately let me know saar

>>100244
all i did was search "linux mint failed python update" and clicked the first result lol

>>100246
lol

Is there anything to be concerned about with regards to the lack of future in-house support for Windows 10 going forward? I think the only thing I'd care about is if steam or my older model tablets stopped working on it for some reason

>>100248
Steam is the only concern for me. Steam not working on win7 is why I migrated to 10 in the first place.

>>100248
if you're already on win11 it's better to just de-shittify it with winutil and open shell

>>100259
Alright, if that's what you recommend. I'll pare down as much of the stuff I dislike about Win 11 on this newer computer as well as the laptop in my apartment using winutil, which seems extremely user friendly so far.

>>100262
if you want the old right-click context menu you'll need to run this .reg file then reboot
https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/win11_classic_context_menu_hack.zip

make sure this shit is disabled

>>100264
>>100263
Before I saw these posts these specifically were both high priority lmoa. Already changed them; the software helped streamline both of these thankfully-was as simple as selecting a check box

Among the worst things Windows 11 was doing by default was saving things to a OneDrive directory which I'd now disabled. Feels like Win 11 is much more tolerable now already

>>100264
Just knowing this shit exists makes me want to not use Windows ever again. Gayms continue to make us slaves to Microsoft.

>>100306
the only alternatives are a user-hostile server OS and a pricey hardware-locked walled-garden OS; pick your poison

>>100310
Mac is the best option if you can afford it.

>>100312
Apple is for gay niggers.

>>100314
Apple is the superior computer now, not because apple improved at all but because linux is, as the other guy said, a user-hostile shitfest mainframe operating system from the 1970s, and windows 11 is a platform for advertisements and telemetry that brings the most powerful computers to a crawl.

Mac can't really play video games, but neither can linux, and you can do all the stuff you do on linux on mac because it's a (competently made) unix operating system with the same capabilities, but without the jank.

>>100319
homebrew and the shell init on tim apple is a bit of jank. a tmux pane with zsh will need at least 1s if not several seconds to load. i use it daily and hate that shit. i use tui programs because their configurations and integrations with other programs are portable between the systems. i use none of the shit bundled with mac, but it's ok.

i'm convinced linux can do lots of the steam and gog run of the mill gaym slop if it's not some crazy chinese drm/anticheat but i dont gaym i am another husk of an adult whom it feels like an even more purposeless chore than tweaking config files on linux/mac

the real void is lack of productivity software like integrated vector, ui design, multimedia editing programs with shared project file formats, like affinity or adobe stuff. that needs vmware. you only have krita as a reasonable photoshop raster editor substitute and blender for 3d modeling and animation (both projects are funded coincidentally). i don't miss microsoft office one bit and that's mostly because i don't like using those programs, using them is soul draining bureaucrat wagie clerk tier, they forced me to learn these in the school + uni curriculum like 3 times, and yet i get more done in markdown text files, libreoffice calc is something i currently tolerate for accounting that i could migrate to a python/node/bc script but why bother.

also then you do have to learn every difference between x11(+xrdb, xsettingsd) display server and wayland(+xorg-xwayland for some things) compositors and to set things like font scaling on each of these environments for each ui toolkit separately (in xrdb, xsettingsd, gsettings, or some shell env variable for qt), but, heh, who can't do that, that's easy, only takes few years to figure out, just have a code repo with all that shit. why both environments? wayland seems more convenient and robust but occasional things like zoom calls screen sharing work fully properly on x11, or the nvidia support, so you'd eventually need some way to run x11 session.

Linux actually plays most of my library, well over 90%, even what AAA titles I have, thanks to based Gaben.

Part of me wishes computers and such were harder to use in the general sense, seeing the harm such accessible technology has done to the mass man. From my history using MS-DOS at a young age I would have been able to figure out Linux to some degree in my prime, even if I've become spoiled by other options today (along with my declining mental faculties due to age. L-...LOL!), the only people who'd truly be filtered would be women, Gen X boomers and the people from countries I don't like heh

I know Pandora's Box isn't closing ever again I, like many others, miss those cheeky days where only the highest life forms had access to the mysteries of the machine

>>100326
apple made them accessible since the late 80s

mac shown in a movie during an era when japan used to produce anime for adults too and not just teens and waifuists

>>100319
Nah, if I didn't need Windows to play some games or because I was forced to use some kike software for school or work I could easily not use Windows anymore. I'm not afraid of reinstalling Linux every couple of years when I encounter an issue I'm too retarded to fix.

>>100330
Why weren't these race traitors using an authentic Nipponese PC-98?