No.105599
Broad enough to have both based and cringe aspects.
No.105603
>>105599Pretty good answer ngl heh
No.105604
>>105598Ehrm...basically the Gellar Field is an apparatus or theory or whatever that allows mortal vessels to traverse the immaterium/Warp ummolested by the hellish demon gods and their minions that reside there in order to go faster irl lmoa
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Gellar_Field No.105608
>>105604Ah, I see. What is the one race that's done literally nothing wrong and why is it the Eldar?
No.105618
>>105608They're a penitent race that had done so much wrong they created the daemon god of degeneracy tho heh
No.105637
>>105597False dichotomy. Real OGs realize there is neither based nor cringe, for all are both and neither at once.
No.105653
Tabletop figurines are like the OG funko pops. Overpriced plastic garbage for manchildren to line their shelves with. The lore of 40k doesn't make for interesting fiction either.
No.105662
>>105653>The lore of 40k doesn't make for interesting fiction either.You're so wrong you've 360 moonwalked the fuck outta here or at least you should.
No.105667
Just finished "Horus Rising", the first in the 60-something book series about the fall of the Imperium of Man that only recently concluded. HEH
It has some truly silly shit ("Megarachnids", the planet "Murder" lmoa) but was pretty good overall I'd say, on to the next one [False Gods]
No.105669
>>105662Ridiculous scale of setting yet the plot is completely stagnant. Keep crying, tasteless dork.
No.105682
>>105669I bet your tripnigger faggot ass wouldn't dare what YOU fangirl over.
No.105695
>>105682Cute deflection. I like series which respect the time of their fans by having a clear beginning and end, instead of stringing them along forever with the promise of eventual narrative payoff in order to continue selling marked up cheap plastic and other tacky merchandise, but I also don't obsess over what I really like forever because I'm not a hormonally imbalanced manchild. I wouldn't be surprised if some other milked-to-death trash like Detective Conan ends before anything meaningful happens in 40k.
>b-b-but another 1000 planets explode and 100 billion people die every other week! this is so dramatic!!!Which isn't even 1% of the population in 40k. There is never any actual narrative payoff to this shit lol, it's been a massive stalemate between humanity and various "existential threats" which strangely never make any headway because muh human spirit prevails or some boring trope like that, but feel free to keep wasting time and money on it like a dork. No skin off my dick.
No.105698
>>105695Whatever your special interest media is, I'm sure I could find gay/trans art relating to it as well.
No.105740
>>105701Xenos sympathizers and propagandists should get the h*ck out heh
No.105744
>>105740Not one, just trying to illustrate the absurdity of the lore and setting and Gays Workshop's kikery. I even
sometimes like playing the -tide games, but Warhammer and 40k suck overall. The retards most passionate about these series I've personally met were literal brown literal retards, actually. These seem like huge autism magnets and then they exploit the beaners with infinite merchandise on top of it all.
No.107824
40k was coolest when it was a lore-rich but impersonal setting for your tabletop miniatures to fight and die in. This also allowed immense creative freedom for authors. Everything from standalone novels to war-and-peace-length omnibuses were accommodated by it. Double Eagle and Gaunts Ghosts are great examples, both set in a massive imperial campaign against chaos totally invented by that one author. The scale of the setting had room for that sort of thing.
It was also rife with mysteries deliberately left unsolved. I remember the feeling of dread and wonder I had reading about the ghoul stars, the lost primarchs, the mythic era of the great crusade, mysterious dyson spheres and huge space structures that expeditions entered but never left.
Now 40k has narrowed the setting by solving many of its mysteries, making the setting about centrepiece characters and their agendas and interpersonal dramas. Millennial writing is poisoning it. They even turned the implacable necrons into Saturday morning cartoon villains.
I was so lucky as a kid to enjoy it at its peak back in the 90s and early-mid 00s. It had problems previously but it really jumped the shark with the primaris stuff which, surely by pure happenstance, coincided with GW saying 'you will not be missed' to any fans whose politics didn't align with the extreme shitlib side of the so-called left. Look up which investment group owns a controlling stake and it'll start to make sense.
Just another example of the enshittening of everything my generation loved growing up. The moment we got our hands on it we raped and gaped it with our gay politics, media literacy and crippling neuroses.
No.107845
I'm just starting on book 5 "Fulgrim" rn btw. These books haven't been particularly great but they have been entertaining enough. I read a lot of "Gotrek and Felix", Warhammer Fantasy in late 2024 to early 2025 as well lmoa
No.107853
>>107845The Ufthak books by mike brooks are all good. I really liked those. Caiphas Cain and Gaunts Ghosts are classics too. It's a cool setting. I just wish it wasn't in the hands of such a shitty, litigious moneygrubbing company. I'll never give them a dime despite enjoying their stuff.
No.107868
>>107845How's fulgrim? Any standout moments? I have zero experience with the primarch books, I'd already 'crashed out' by then as the younguns say.
Imo the Horus heresy books mark the beginning of the end for the setting. Big name character driven material got gobbled up despite its mediocrity. It seemed cool at the time and compared favourably with the 'war of the beast' multi-author series which was arguably more 'oldschool 40k' but was inconsistent at best. This likely supported the camp at GW who wanted to 'move the story forward' and ultimately culminated in the 'fall of cadia' brain rot storyline. So much of what made 40k special was destroyed by the direction they took but it made them a lot of money. I expect their best marketing analytics guys told them what would sell and I guess they were right. There's a concept in farming called 'mining the land' where a farmer pushes his land beyond its carrying capacity for livestock or cropping without using amendments or organic methods to 'put back' what he takes out. It results in soil depletion, erosion and other problems but it delivers straight profits upfront. GW are mining 40k, same as that jeet CEO mined Microsoft, same as car companies are producing vehicles that break down while trading off big names and clothing goes threadbare faster and all the rest. Our civilisation is becoming zero sum, short sighted, izzat-coded, mercantile, feminised, shareholder-oriented, lonely and brown. The days have gone down in the West, behind the hills and into shadow. All this stuff is just a symptom. /new/ was right all along.
Gotrek and Felix are great. My only complaint? I feel like the power creep over the course of the books was a little excessive. Only a little mind you and still fun. The alien nature of the dwarven mind was also diluted and humanised somewhat as the books progressed but that might just be my midwittery so by all means tell me I'm wrong. What was your experience with them? Disregard the end times crap. Its bad fan fiction driven by a bad boardroom decision. Boy I bet they regretted killing fantasy after total warhammer's success. Serves them right.
>>107853Good taste. I'm gonna look up Ufthak and see if I can, uh, buy the books second hand. Fuck giving gw a red cent. They hate us for reasons deeper and darker than money, which is their usual reason for doing anything. They can get their coin from vanguard now, I won't fund them and (You) shouldn't either. Get 3d prints instead if you must or just do what I did and get a new hobby. I miss it though. Wouldve loved to share it with my littleuns as they grow up.
No.107869
I wrote a fucking novel there without realising and I dont expect any of you to read it. Sorry.
No.107870
>>107868I actually 3d printed a few orks last year with the idea of creating an army. Probably a waste of time since I don't have any friends irl who would play (unless I printed them an army too I guess LOL). Ended up getting distracted by real life shit. It's a lot of work printing, painting, and assembling a billion little dudes and bikes and stuff. Playing a side game like necromunda or gorkamorka would be easier since you don't need as many models.
>fall of cadiaGod don't remind me of this shit. In my headspace 40k never moved on from like 3rd edition.
>Disregard the end times crap.It's not just driven by boardroom decisions. It was driven by a pure and seething hatred by games workshop for its fans.
There was this old campaign games workshop put on ages ago called "Storm of Chaos" which was suppose to be the culmination of the end times in warhammer fantasy. They obviously intended for chaos to win, so they could close off the ip. And to tell that story, they had a big tournament and people would play their armies against one another in gw stores to determine the winner at different stages of the campaign. Problem was, the people who played races like the dwarves and eldar tended to be older, more mature, and more skilled at the game than the 14 year olds playing chaos, and they absolutely dominated. That didn't fit with what gw wanted to have happen, so they started ignoring order faction wins and railroading the campaign toward a chaos victory.
People got mad and started throwing games and shit I guess. Eventually GW threw in the towel and just put it up to a vote, asking who people wanted to win. They chose the orcs, so they wrote a fluff piece about how the orc warboss kicked archaeon in the nuts and fucked off, leaving the whole thing unresolved. It was big egg on the face of games workshop for years.
So when they eventually decided they wanted to end the fantasy setting in order to prop up age of sigmar and warhammer 40k, they wrote that fluff in the most dickish way possible because they were still seething over being denied their chaos victory. That's why it feels like bad fan fiction. It was written as a hate letter to all the people who made them look bad like a decade prior.
There's a lot of extremely petty bullshit that goes on at that company. But yeah disregard that shit. Hell, write your own ending for warhammer fantasy. Games Workshop "owns" the ip (a bizarre jewish legal concept, how does one own an idea?) but ultimately it is created by the people who enjoy it.
No.107871
Even beyond the moralistic reasons for 3d printing warhammer figs the ones at the store are just so fucking expensive you'd have to be rich just to afford enough points to make an army. Everyone I've met irl who had warhammer figs just had a couple of them, and painted them up and stuck them on a shelf as a decoration rather than having any real inclination to play the game.
No.107880
>>107868I'm only a few pages into Fulgrim but I'll talk about it more when I finish perhaps heh
I enjoyed what I read so far of Gotrek and Felix a lot. My biggest complaint with the Gotrek and Felix books was reading the same/very similar descriptions of Gotrek's martial prowess many times. It's somewhat forgivable as I'm sure these books were written years apart from one another but it's something I'm very sensitive to and anal about. I think in a past life or even a current one if AI shit never came about I would have liked to be a professional editor/proofreader. I enjoy reading and seeing the creative process come together and manifest in something concrete that can be enjoyed by all (though I guess being a professional of sorts in a field like that means I'd have to read a lot of unsalvageable stuff too, huh?)
I appreciate that the canned "he wielded [x] as if it were an extension of his own body!1" line I'd heard in so many books in the past did not come up much if even at all so far as I remember, but conversely Gotrek reducing his foes to a "red ruin" happens like every other short story lol.
Still, their adventures and characterization are all very entertaining; I can't think of a single scenario they'd gotten into that left me particularly bored or wanting to skip ahead, the books are paced quite well. The Skaven make for great comedic albeit credibly dangerous enemies in particular in the latter half of the Omnibus.
No.107896
>>107870Sometimes I wish I didnt live at the edge of the world so I could feasibly drive to your neck of the woods. I'd play a game of 2nd or 3rd edition with you any day.
>the spiteHow utterly pathetic on gw's part. I think the desire to destroy whfb was probably political too. Fantasy's lore was unbelievably chudcoded and having it saved by grognards - a demographic they despise - must've driven them crazy. The 'Archaeon kicked in the nuts' story is one I'd heard before but now it makes sense. Its a corporation descending to the level of a butthurt DnD nerd flipping the table and saying 'rocks fall and everyone dies.' Sad.
IP ownership is absolute cancer for more reasons than one. As the years march on investment firms acquire more and more of them from defunct companies then sit on them with their lawyers on speed dial. It stifles creativity for the sake of moneygetting. The core of the hobby is grognards who cherish the setting and gatekeep toxic or destructive bullshit. They've been driven out and now anything goes. Once gw are finished hollowing out 40k and making it indistinguishable from any other standardised corpo approved setting with a cancerous Netflix show and an anticapitalist/anti'fascist'/antiwhite message and an insufferable manjawed girlboss troonish mascot itll be shelved by vanguard to ensure no one can reboot and fix it. Because stories have power and the forces of darkness know this and want to ensure only theirs are ever told.
>>107871Yes. In fact I have often wondered why some turbosperg hasnt just handed out PLA prints of starter sets for free at conventions or, hell, outside games workshop for tiktok ragebait content yet. Surely there's at least one fat millennial only child on the spectrum with inherited boomergelt willing to waste it on prusa filament from sheer spite because gw destroyed his hyperfocus obsession.
>>107880Keep us posted on fulgrim.
Your point about repetitive combat descriptions in the slayer books is so accurate and I didn't even clock it till you mentioned it. AI probably wouldn't even notice that, a human editor/ghostwriter will always be superior. Or so I choose to believe.
No.107900
>>107896>Because stories have power and the forces of darkness know this and want to ensure only theirs are ever told.Very true. These people want to destroy anything created from the heart, and warhammer was definitely a passion project for the people who made it way back when. Everything needs to be sterilized, standardized, and nowdays probably AI generated.
No.108015
>>107956Their decision to destroy the free publicity engine that was the YouTube animation scene is utterly baffling. As best I can tell they wanted creative control of stuff like Astartes to ensure they were telling 'the right stories' rather than apolitical ones that are universally appealing.
The thing is they then locked the creators who signed on away in a basement and no ones seen a damn thing from them, not 40k related anyway.
The smart thing for a moneygrubbing company to do would've been to demand a 25% cut of ad revenue via contract as payment for IP use then let them cook. But they had to have total control with 'warhammer +' and it utterly killed a very entertaining phenomenon
No.108019
>>107959Ended up watching this today. It held up well honestly. Glad I found it again. Really feels like a movie version of a dark heresy campaign.
>>108015>Their decision to destroy the free publicity engine that was the YouTube animation scene is utterly baffling.From what I understand from listening to other people rant about it, there are two factors at play with this. One is that the UK (and apparently florida) have no concept of fair use, giving GW an opportunity to copyright claim fan works in the first place. The second is that games workshop has recently cottoned onto the fact that their toy lineup is not doing so well but video games and other media are, and have decided they want to be a media company. They want to be netflix. In order to achieve that, they want a monopoly over all warhammer web content, because why would people pay for warhammer plus if they can just watch some excellent fan film on youtube?
Typical shortsighted, evil boomer decision. It's shocking people continue to financially support this company in any way, shape, or form. I know warhammer and 40k are both very cool settings with the potential to tell very cool stories but shit like this is obscene.
>Astartes You are not the first person who has mentioned this. Apparently it's pretty good huh? Maybe I can find a torrent of it.
No.108024
I remember Astartes. A 40k fan always sent me the videos long ago. Cinema quality passion projects. Of course he's no longer a fan and never speaks of games workshop anymore
No.108264
>>108033 >I will not read endtimesKeyed. That shit is non-canon as far as I'm concerned.
I want to hear more about these descriptions of chaos demons, how do you mean 'creative?' I have a feeling the answer will be unsettling. I dig that.
>>108024If GW had half a brain they'd either let these fans cook and create free advertising for their company or they'd settle on 25% ad revenue plus the rights to use fan material for promotional purposes. But as you say, evil boomer lead poisoning addled greed-driven high time preference cancer.
There are so many people just like your mate who have abandoned 40k in disgust. Critically those fans are having families (or theyre the fat nerd uncle to some) and the disposable income they'd have poured into the company to relive their youth through their kids or nieces/nephews will never be spent. Warhammer + is such a stupid idea. The enshittification/jeetening of business strategy is miserable.
>>108076Some of the old stuff is so hard its almost eldritch I love it. If you have stuff, post it. Please.
No.108269
>>108264>how do you mean 'creative?'I'll give an example from manslayer, which is a spoiler for the end of the book.
At the end of the book, Gotrek and Felix fight a demon summoned from a group of cannons that had the souls of chaos sorcerers fused into them by traitors in the college of artillery. The demon is made of the living blood of people who were slain near the cannons, which sucked up the blood into themselves, and it's sort of a man-shaped blood golem with cannons for arms and legs and a mortar for a head.
It's very OC. Most of the time when a warhammer book has a demon it's like "oh yeah, that's a bloodthirster, there's a toy of that" but this is a completely unique creation. I don't hate it but I guess the cannon blood golem demon is a little bit silly.
>The enshittification/jeetening of business strategy is miserable.Happens to every publicly traded company. At least in the United States, CEOs have a legal obligation to maximise quarterly profits for their shareholders, and it's probably similar in the UK. Enshittification is built into the system. It's not even really GW's fault. They're being drug around by greedy investors who want to pump and dump for a quick buck.
>If you have stuff, post it. Please.I have a fair bit of 40k art, but not much fantasy. I actually went looking for oldhammer fantasy art the other day and couldn't find too much. Feels like GW is trying to memoryhole the entire setting.
No.108287
>>108269>cannon demonThat actually sounds cool as hell, like a late-mediaeval or early-modern grain-mold-induced fever dream of a demon of war. I love that he strayed from the product line too.
>the enshittificationIdk if that's the case in the UK where GW is based. But you got me thinking a bit because this is a really interesting phenomenon and I don't reckon its as open and shut as you believe.
Didnt that US precedent get set by Dodge when Henry Ford tried to run his company for the benefit of his workers and consumers? I heard they sued him for it and won, forcing him to compromise on quality and worker conditions. Extremely blackpilling stuff. Its hard to say capitalism is always the problem and legal regulation/government is always the solution when you have the law forcing this paradigm on companies the moment they go public. I'm not a lolbert but this shows there's nuance to that problem.
Its also worth noting how rapidly the shittification is happening now and how universal it is. Something has changed since the '07/08GFC and its accelerated massively since covid. Its so blatant that people seeking reliability pursue gear made before the 08 cutoff. My mate ran his early iPhone for over a decade. Low km 80 series land cruisers go for nearly as much as new cars despite being slugs.
Cars last 5 or 6 years now and phones usually crap out within a year or two with no user serviceable parts, not even batteries. Since covid this has become so extreme that the ford dealer in a nearby city had its entire yard clogged with ford rangers and raptors brought in for common failures. The company was bleeding vast sums of money furnishing people with rental cars. I think its still real bad. Another mates hilux ate one tank of questionable fuel and died so bad it cost him thousands and months to fix. Meanwhile your old ones could run off cooking oil in a pinch and you could even turn the lights off when the dashboard sensors are obstructed.
There's more to this than just 'vanguard/blackrock' or 'us law' or 'blues and jeets' alone can account for. But one universal truth remains - if your hobby goes mainstream you're most certainly fucked. That much we can surely agree on.
>>108270I love the sense of human insignificance in a lot of these old pics. There's a feeling of dread and grandeur from the scale of the architecture and the chaos of the clashing fronts. The character art looks so damn tough too. The colourful eldar pic's background is almost eldritch or Cyclopean in scale and the composition means you notice it only after the resplendently clad warrior in the foreground. I love it. Cheers for posting.
