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>If you look at the technological progress that started with computers, everything is being automated at a speed unprecedented in history.
Automation is often used as an excuse to hire less people, but is it actually practical to apply it in most situations? Not really. Global competition is what's saturating jobs more than anything, and in a lot of cases it's a sad race to the bottom.

>Wait another 400 years and there will be no need for any human manual labor because you can let machines do everything for you and the ultimate ramification will be that money becomes useless since wages are only needed to incentivize competition among humans.
I don't know to what extent, but I would wager that within 400 years technology will have regressed substantially enough that the future is going to look like some bizarre alternate reality version of our present. Maybe there won't even be anyone manufacturing ICs.

A lot of jobs are bullshit to begin with, like most all government jobs that don't involve or are adjacent to physically removing violent criminals or pouring concrete. We basically have an entire apparatus dedicated to making sure people (like single female boomers) have access to adequate amounts of money while expecting very little in actual labor returns from them.

A lot of things can be automated but not everything. The idea of machines performing every conceivable task (including servicing other machines) all the way down to the like, microscopic level is just silly. If you've ever been to a mid-sized grocery store lately you could see how often the self-checkout machines run afoul of technical issues and there's no sign that won't be a problem in the future with any similar thing. It's commonly believed that the reliability and quality of both digital technology and analog machines has gone down over time rather than up, so I feel like this automation utopia is a pleasant thought but ultimately wishful thinking.

As people have gotten dumber we've become a lower trust society too, so delivery of sweatshop goods via unmanned drone or vehicle isn't really reliable. I don't know what the future holds, and work sucks (I know) but I don't know what alternative awaits us.

>>5786
>automation utopia is a pleasant thought but ultimately wishful thinking

You're missing the point. It's not about 100% automation. Sooner or later you'll reach the stage when technology is so advanced that you can eliminate a large amount of unnecessary jobs and menial labor. Even if you have 30% left, some people have to do the coding and have the knowledge of repairing machines, you will have too many humans around that can't be hired or employed because there is no viable need for it.
So then the question is: do we need more humans or do we need more quality in life?

>>5787
That much is true, the population is on an unsustainable trajectory, there was never meant to be ten billion of us, even 1 billion is a lot. Scrooge in a Christmas Carol lamented the teeming masses of the "surplus population" in the mid 1800s and there was less than a billion people worldwide then, less than 250 million across NA and Europe combined. To think that there'd be 8 times that many 150~ years later is crazy. It's noteworthy that most billionaire's vision of an ideal future don't include favelas with billions of violent, seething 80 IQ poorfags in them

>>5788
>It's noteworthy that most billionaire's vision of an ideal future don't include favelas with billions of violent, seething 80 IQ poorfags in them
Not publicly at least.

>>5765
You just described everything wrong with neoliberal/Keynesian economics.

>If you look at the technological progress that started with computers, everything is being automated at a speed unprecedented in history. Wait another 400 years and there will be no need for any human manual labor because you can let machines do everything for you and the ultimate ramification will be that money becomes useless since wages are only needed to incentivize competition among humans.

This will never happen unless Keynesianism as a system of economics is abolished/changes to incorporate other schools.

In reality Money rules in these countries, they talk about press freedom when in fact all these newspapers have one owner and the owner is, in any case, the sponsor this press then shapes puplic opinion these political parties don't have any differences at all like before with us you already know the old political parties they were all the same.

Then people must think that in these countries of freedom and wealth... there should exist a very comfortable life for its people but the opposite is the case.

In these countries, in the so-called "DEMOCRACIES" the people are by no means the main focus of attention.

What really matters

Is the existence of this group of "DEMOCRACY MAKERS" that is, the existence of a few hundred of giant capitalists who own all the factories and shares and who, ultimately lead the people.

They are not interested at all in the great mass of people.

They are the only ones who can be addressed as international elements, because they conduct their business everywhere.

It is a small, rootless, international clique that is turning people against each other, that does not want them to have peace.

They can suppress us! They can kill us, if you like! But we will not capitulate!

These people (the Rothschilds and their international hyenas) used to laugh about it they thought it was a joke they are not laughing anymore today they realise the gravity of the situation.

~ Adolf Hitler

Would hypocritical billionaires be lowed in a h'white nationalist soyciety?

https://twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1794348751789977795

>>5787
Resource scarcity will probably prevent full automation. Even with electric cars the alarm bells are being rung that there just won't be enough copper and other materials there to pad out the grid for them. In fact I think that explains the recent surge in copper prices. All those gay green initiatives are starting to hit the wall of reality.

People forget that there's eight billion people on this planet and most of them only consume as much energy as the average western refrigerator. Why build elaborate robots when some Cambodian can come in on a temporary work visa and do the work? Makes no sense really. Even in Korea where they're trying their best to automate everything, the countryside is fill of hordes of Pajeets and SEAs doing the work nobody else wants to do.

Plus there's just not the cognitive capital there to maintain robots. It's one thing when you're automating a simple movement like we've done so far in factories, but the low hanging fruit has already been picked and future robotics will need to be a lot more elaborate. A welding robot that climbs up and down buildings would have intricate machinery and require a 110+ technician to diagnose and repair, meanwhile some 90IQ fuckwit on meth can just climb up there and do the job based on muscle memory. You can get around that problem the same way they've gotten around increasing car complexity, by just having the components get swapped out like pieces of lego, but that's wasteful and still contributes to the resource scarcity problem.

Normalize bicycles made of bamboo and cactus skin with like 100mm chainrings on them that can go 60mph

>>6100
I've been trying to explain this to anti-depopulation advocates for years now. Virtually infinite and easily replaceable slaves are in fact a lot more efficient than complex, difficult-to-maintain systems. Never mind the fact that most of this soyence-coomer trash isn't even viable in the first place.

>>6100
>Resource scarcity
>won't be enough copper and other materials

https://evolutiondc.museum.gwu.edu/the-washington-monument-capstone/
>It is unsurprising that the Washington Monument, similar to architecture all around the capital, was built with marble. What may surprise you is that the capstone resting on the top of the monument is made of a $225 pyramid of aluminum.
>Costing $1.10 per ounce, aluminum was considered as valuable as silver.
>Less than two years after the placement of the capstone, the value of aluminum dropped dramatically when a young chemist discovered a simpler method of processing the metal.

Same thing has happened with diamonds. You can now create laboratory-grown diamonds. Resources aren't infinite but you can easily reuse existing metals and make it less expensive.

>>6186
H'whats going on in that set of photos?

>>6186
The problem isn't that there aren't enough resources necessarily. Usually the problem with soyence coomer schemes boils down to issues with energy, time, or economy. So for example: You could launch a few satellites far out into orbit and you could provide internet to a lot of people at a minimal cost, accepting the reality of latency, or you can be a retard like Musk and try to launch thousands of satellites into LEO, spending so much on launch costs, production, and maintenance that even if everyone on earth was a starlink subscriber it would still never be profitable. This is the kind of thing tech faggots do. If their ideas aren't out-right impossible, then the things they propose are completely impractical. Many of these ideas were rejected by better men decades ago. Things haven't changed just because "it's the future". The reality is we haven't had any major technological breakthroughs since the transistor. Everything since then has just been logical iterations. They don't even have proofs of concept to show otherwise. In the case of "automation" or "AI", it's not some kind of self-sustaining system. The latter lives on profuse injections of investment capital. It wastes significantly more than it produces and it cannot exist without nigger-cattle to feed it. It may look fancy, but there is in fact just a man behind the curtain. Believing AGI is going to emerge and that robots are going to maintain themselves, that the economics are going to be irrelevant, and that were all going to be lorded over by Mr.House and his securitrons is like believing in a perpetual motion machine, literally.

>>6192
Huge cock rape.

>>6090
Absolutely not.

>>5791
Most CEO's and entrepreneurs have some form of ADHD or other mental issues that makes them focus entirely on something so time wasting as work.

https://www.businessinsider.com/im-ceo-with-adhd-its-my-biggest-strength-heres-why-2019-10
>As someone with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), De Sena has found it to be his greatest strength as an entrepreneur.

These people have an innate inability to calm down and expect their surroundings to conform to their methamphetamine velocity during the weeks and autistic social skills which make them ignore other people's needs or feelings.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work
>No one should ever work.
>Work is the source of nearly all the misery in the world. Almost any evil you’d care to name comes from working or from living in a world designed for work. In order to stop suffering, we have to stop working.
>That doesn’t mean we have to stop doing things. It does mean creating a new way of life based on play; in other words, a ludic revolution.
>By “play” I mean also festivity, creativity, conviviality, commensality, and maybe even art.

They live for money and status like juvenile negroes that can't wait to purchase new shoes that they desperately need to show everyone else so their lives have some intrinsic meaning.

>>10770
>They live for money and status like juvenile negroes that can't wait to purchase new shoes that they desperately need to show everyone else so their lives have some intrinsic meaning
These disgusting demonic apes are truly best off depopulated

This should be in /lounge/

>>5765
The idea that work is inherently moral is rooted in protestantism. You can literally blame the jews for it.

>What is the purpose of life when all the jobs are not needed anymore?
For most people, none at all. Most westerners are physically incapable of imagining a system that's different from the world they grew up in. You can even see this with baby boomers who pretend that it's still the 70s with regards to housing and employment (le firm handshake).

I think most people lack the imagination not only to imagine a different world, but to find value in life other than that which is assigned to them by society. If their world of work-sleep-consume were to be destroyed, they'd get very depressed and shut down, and likely turn to drugs to cope.

>If you look at the technological progress that started with computers, everything is being automated at a speed unprecedented in history.
Not so unprecedented. I seem to remember asimov wrote an essay in the 60s outlining how 90% of all jobs back then (particularly white collar jobs) could be automated away... by the use of the telephone. Switchboards and fax machines could replace legions of office workers. And he was right. It could have. But it didn't.

Because the system needs those workers, even if they do unproductive work. Without a large segment of the population employed, the economic and social system breaks down. When someone's job becomes pointless, they are assigned a different pointless job or just kept on doing the same pointless job.

>>10774
>Without a large segment of the population employed, the economic and social system breaks down. When someone's job becomes pointless, they are assigned a different pointless job or just kept on doing the same pointless job
I had this as a personal revelation a while ago. The normgroids that live around me do nothing but drugs, litter, destroy the environment, harass others, scream and just cause problems in general. Only when waging somewhere is their inherent evil neutralized to some extent

Most jobs are just daycare for evil babboons

>>10775
The average person is buckbroken by the schooling system into a slave mindset. It inculcates cruelty and atomisation for one. For another it wastes literally thousands of hours on busy work and outright brainwashing that prevents the development of independence-fostering skills and organic community/family-driven culture. But worst of all it means that without the directive to get up and go somewhere to work before returning home to do homework and then sleep, most people are unable to self-start. They need that structure to function due to pavlovian conditioning. Without a job they default to their weekend or holiday rest state as they were programmed to do. If left that way for too long they degenerate into sadistic destructive animals because they have no other way of being. No independence, no community, no trust, no higher sense of purpose. This has gotten exponentially worse since the end of the second world war but the problem arguably goes back even further.

Industrial schooling solves the secessio plebis problem by ensuring few people have the mindset or skill set to walk out on industrial society. Look up the problems early industrialisation had with the first generation of country folk they forced into the cities using dirty underhanded policy asnd legislature. They refused to show up on time, took days off when they felt like it, would wander off into the countryside to live wild for weeks at a time and would decide they were done and knock off early en-masse.

Moralising and utopianism aside some of the earliest pushes in England for compulsory education were to solve this 'problem.' Schools would acclimate the next generation to industrialisation by borrowing from the Prussian schooling model. The Prussian system was made to produce factory workers and soldiers and despite efforts to reform it thats still what it does. It creates peons of various grades for the benefit of the industrial system. Stalin saw education, rightly, as a weapon to be pointed at enemies of the system. He was a monster and had an excellent insight into the monstrous nature of monstrous things.

Its not human nature you're seeing. Its a mutilation of it. We aren't decent kind sweet creatures by any means but modern man is a brutalised slave by design and the idea that he cannot exist if freed from the yoke of wagecuckery is just wrong. It reminds me of the 'experiment' in the book 'Brave New World' by Aldous Huxley where their system takes a bunch of brainwashed 'alphas', (their highest caste) and throws them on an island to prove they can't exist on their own. Of course they fail, they're mind broken and have none of the skills exclusively taught to lower castes that'd permit them to rebuild. They're all brainwashed to lead and perform cerebral pursuits within a highly restrictive system. When you watch Normies degenerate from unemployment and see it as proof we cannot exist without waging you are falling for the same cruel trick. Some people really are just evil baboons by nature but most of them are made that way by the system.
>>10774
This guy is spot on. The system created these golems and now it has to keep them busy since they become a nightmare if let loose. If they pull off their ai/automation revolution I fully expect a great sterilisation effort or culling to transpire as well as a deliberate dysgenic 'dumbing down,' with survivors reduced to a kind of techno-feudalism under the despotic descendents of today's hyper-rich transnational mercantile class. You could argue its already happening today.

If you aren't getting offgrid and ensuring your descendants are free living skilled country folk who can fix stuff, grow food, dress game, take care of animals and otherwise do 'survivalist' stuff like our preindustrial ancestors then you are making a hell of a gamble. I wouldn't bet on the system to deliver a better quality of life in our lifetimes. If you want to eat well and live free you need to accept a decline in living standards now as an off gridder or accept a worse one later as a 'useless eater.' The balls in your court.

shartmerica looks like a dystopia, don't know how anyone can stand living there unless they have their own private island or something

>>10814
you should reconsider what you learn from a tube channel ran by a swarthy-French-Bulgarian-looking German boyfriend and a cyclist (now completely out of frame) pimping out his American import girlfriend WHO TALKS LIKE THIS, and ball-washes a gradually decaying and increasingly authoritarian welfare state in order to help the channel audience cope

>woah germans live in cooperative commieblock apartments for that COMMUNITY

>>10814
People just live where they're born. It's not easy to move to the first world.

>>10815
Greasy Amerishart hands posted this from a trailer park in south carolina.

>>10815
dunno about your situation, but if HDV was born and raised in germany, he:
• wouldn't be circumcised
• wouldn't be working 12+ hours a day, that's just not accepted by germans, not even nurses work 12 hour shifts
• would get 20 days vacation minimum required by law, even if he had a lower wage retail job
• wouldn't have to own a car since its cities have good public transportation and are bikeable and walkable
• would be able to go to a doctor without worrying about MRI costs for his achilles tendon rupture for monitoring its healing progress so as to not remove the medical boot prematurely
• would likely have vocational credentials or a degree and a higher-paying job since vocational training and universities are tuition-free
• would be able to meet up with FoKy IRL

his downsides as a german:
• his parents would likely be renting (but at least their pensions would cover it) since ownership isn't considered a necessary milestone (or practical)
• wouldn't be able to patriotardically cheer on his government doing imperial conquests in other countries for the benefit of jews and the epsteinite class
• probably wouldn't able to afford as many steam games in his collection that he never plays or as many my little pony figures
• wouldn't have been exposed to anglophone media figures like david irving, ernst zundel, david cole et al. and therefore wouldn't have ended up as the Holocaustleugnungsvideomacher, extending 4chon's vestigial lifespan beyond 2014